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  • MTayl72 said...

    Are you for real? Is this an OSU troll? A GOOD QB?! Gtfo. You must be joking. I can see someone preferring his play over Bolden, but if last year was the showing of a good QB you're brain will explode when we have an average QB come through here.

    Mtayl172...What other options do you see on our roster? My mother always told me not to ask questions that I didn't already know the answer...There are none. Unless Bill O'Brien is the best QB coach of all time and Tom Brady goes into the tank this year without him and Paul Jones or Bolden become Tom Brady...biggrin Like him or not he gives us the best chance of winning games. Unless there is a dramatic change from someone else.

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  • blackshoes said...

    I get that but newsome sucking screwed up the QB plan alot more that devlin transferring. Devlin would have started for a year and it would have just delayed the inevitable.

    As far as MM being a rudy story, it was never going to happen. Most people hated MM because he was a walk on. Some fans just couldn't stomach a walk on playing qb at psu. He would have had to go Andrew Luck for people to like him. He was doomed form the beginning. People were just looking for reason to hate him. And I think alot of people were just waiting for him to fail, because he was a walk on.

    I think people hated him because he's a cocky SOB that can't back it up (on field or off as Drake showed)

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  • MTayl72 said...

    And here's what baffles me re:McGloin. He should be a fan favorite! Scrappy lil guy from Scranton walks on and beats out all the big star QBs. That's the American dream. But the kid sucks so much, more because of the way he acts and talks and carries himself, that the fan base HATES him. How bad is that?! He's a fans dream and he blew it with all his BS. Wow.

    +1. Joe saw himself in Matt, passed off or was unaware of the attitude and off-field issues, and the bad attitude, behavior, and performance compounded. It was done for me after he copped an attitude after the UF game. He is so opposite what a PSU student let alone the freaking QB should be about it's not even funny.

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  • blackshoes said...

    As far as MM being a rudy story, it was never going to happen. Most people hated MM because he was a walk on. Some fans just couldn't stomach a walk on playing qb at psu. He would have had to go Andrew Luck for people to like him. He was doomed form the beginning. People were just looking for reason to hate him. And I think alot of people were just waiting for him to fail, because he was a walk on.

    I dunno. If he didn't act like an idiot in interviews and get knocked out by a teammate who was trying to apologize to him, I think people would appreciate the underdog story a bit more. Many would still think he didn't have it based on his play, but at least they wouldn't think he was an arrogant SOB who talks the talk but can't walk the walk.

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  • PSUVA92 said...

    Mtayl172...What other options do you see on our roster? My mother always told me not to ask questions that I didn't already know the answer...There are none. Unless Bill O'Brien is the best QB coach of all time and Tom Brady goes into the tank this year without him and Paul Jones or Bolden become Tom Brady...biggrin Like him or not he gives us the best chance of winning games. Unless there is a dramatic change from someone else.

    Honest to God, the way Mac is I would start Bolden every game. Let Mac be the backup til he gets his head out of his ass. Mac is everything I don't want in my QB.

    And I didn't say he wouldn't start, just that we wont be real competitors with that joke.

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  • Also, as an OL if someone smoked my QB there is no amount of men alive that would've stopped me from physically harming the player that did it. Who's hold the 6'5 300 pounders back from going after Drake as it happened? Oh they held themselves back. Except for Shrive who's too soft to hit anyone.

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  • MTayl72 said...

    Honest to God, the way Mac is I would start Bolden every game. Let Mac be the backup til he gets his head out of his ass. Mac is everything I don't want in my QB.

    And I didn't say he wouldn't start, just that we wont be real competitors with that joke.

    So the coaching won't help? Not sure I buy that as it comes off as way more personal and emotional than thought out. If his attitude is that big a problem, you would hope the leaders on that team would let it be known. Not to mention the staff should pick up on it as well. I'm hopeful DOB jumps on this train with this staff and is a 2 year starter while Hack and Bench adjust to college life. If that doesn't happen, I just want the guy that can win games...don't care what his name is.

    This post was edited by LaJollaLion on 3/14/2012 at 8:05 PM

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  • Rick81 said...

    I'm probably part of a very small group of people who think that McGloin might be our best bet for QB in 2012. There's lots of speculation on the board that Danny O'Brien could come in and start in 2012 and lead us to a Big Ten title game. I'm not so sure. First of all, he won't be here for Spring practice. That means MM and who ever else is around will have a huge advantage.

    I think Bolden is out of the question unless he has a fabulous Spring. His confidence is just plain shot right now. I think he probably redshirts or transfers in 2012.

    So that leaves MM, Shane McGregor and maybe DOB.

    In all fairness, MM gave us some pretty good wins over the past couple seasons including the big comeback against NW in 2010, Michigan in 2010, a nice win over the Buckeyes in 2011,a good win over Iowa in 2011 and another good win against NW in 2011.

    We all know that MM doesn't have a great arm and isn't very mobile. But he's got that leadership intangible that serves him well. He's also got experience. There was no doubt that in the games he came in in the 2nd quarter to replace Bolden, the offense moved. Frankly, he probably should have started all year and played most of every game. I think his stats would have been much better.

    I also think that BOB could design an offense more suited to his talents. Our defense will be pretty good again in 2012, so we don't have to score tons of points.

    In my mind a couple things held MM back in 2011 - our predictable offense and our receivers not getting off the LOS clean. There were also a lot of dropped balls in 2011. One thing for sure, we struggled when Moye was out. When he came back, our offense was instantly better.

    The one question I have with MM is whether or not the team still believes in him after the locker room incident.

    I might be wrong, but I see MM as our starter for 2012.

    OK - have at it guys.

    Number of games started / in game experience. Edge O'Brien.
    Arm strength. Edge O'Brien.
    Mobility/athleticism. Edge O'Brien.
    Ability to throw on the run. Edge O'Brien.
    Decision making. Edge O'Brien.
    Being recruited by the Head coach and having him say "I told the team ill do anything to improve the team within the rules" in regards to recruiting him. Edge O'Brien.
    More time to learn the play book. Edge McGloin.
    Bigger dooooshbag. Edge McGloin.

    This post was edited by ejb5212 on 3/14/2012 at 8:06 PM

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  • LaJollaLion said...

    So the coaching won't help? Not sure I buy that as it comes off as way more personal and emotional than thought out. If his attitude is that big a problem, you would hope the leaders on that team would let it be known. Not to mention the staff should pick up on it as well. I'm hopeful DOB jumps on this train with this staff and is a 2 year starter while Hack and Bench adjust to college life. If that doesn't happen, I just want the guy that can win games...don't care what his name is.

    You can't have your QB showing up your HC. Its one thing to argue like Brady and OB, but the way Mac showed no respect for Joe and blew him off spoke volumes. The Drake incident. His BS when Bolden spoke of transferring.

    Your QB has to act different than the rest of the guys. Mac does, but not in the way you want. Til he gets that, he sits.

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  • MTayl72 said...

    You can't have your QB showing up your HC. Its one thing to argue like Brady and OB, but the way Mac showed no respect for Joe and blew him off spoke volumes. The Drake incident. His BS when Bolden spoke of transferring.

    Your QB has to act different than the rest of the guys. Mac does, but not in the way you want. Til he gets that, he sits.

    Just so I understand is it ok for your QB to act like a dbag if he's putting up kerry collinsesque number/results? Because most arguments I hear are he's arrogant and cant back it up. So if he could back it up it would be ok?

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  • Rick81 said...

    All I can say is that our offense moved much better with MM as the QB.

    As far as being a leader, he took control of the huddle. You don't have to like him - just follow him.

    As I said, I don't know how the team looks at him now. They could be behind him or they could be against him. No one really knows.

    Leaders don't shoot their mouths off and get the hell beaten out of them by teammates. There are more things involved in being a leader than taking control of the huddle.

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  • blackshoes said...

    Just so I understand is it ok for your QB to act like a dbag if he's putting up kerry collinsesque number/results? Because most arguments I hear are he's arrogant and cant back it up. So if he could back it up it would be ok?

    There are 4 ways he could go. Act well/play well, act well/play poorly, act poorly/play well, act poorly/play poorly. It would be more tolerable for him to be any of the first 3, with the first being optimal, the second probably being next best but close to the third for some people, and the fourth way behind. He's #4, so people do not like him.

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  • rummel49 said...

    Dont rule out PJ or Bench. I think it will be WIDE open for the QB spot. Since it is a brand new offense, Bench wont be far behind the other guys when he arrives.

    For a guy that hasn't been eligible for two years, if I'm a fan, I would rule out PJ UNTIL he is eligible. To me, he isn't an option until otherwise.

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  • O'Brien and mcgloin are actually pretty comparable. The main reason people don't like Mcgloin in my opinion is he has been under a larger than normal microscope with alot fans having a hard time getting over his walk on status. He has been the best qb on the roster the last two years. He has done some things that show he is immature but so has every other qb we are talking about in this thread. What happened to the fresh start mantra. Does it not apply to McGloin?

    This post was edited by Gunslinger317 on 3/14/2012 at 8:33 PM

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  • Rick81 said...

    I'm probably part of a very small group of people who think that McGloin might be our best bet for QB in 2012. There's lots of speculation on the board that Danny O'Brien could come in and start in 2012 and lead us to a Big Ten title game. I'm not so sure. First of all, he won't be here for Spring practice. That means MM and who ever else is around will have a huge advantage.

    I think Bolden is out of the question unless he has a fabulous Spring. His confidence is just plain shot right now. I think he probably redshirts or transfers in 2012.

    So that leaves MM, Shane McGregor and maybe DOB.

    In all fairness, MM gave us some pretty good wins over the past couple seasons including the big comeback against NW in 2010, Michigan in 2010, a nice win over the Buckeyes in 2011,a good win over Iowa in 2011 and another good win against NW in 2011.

    We all know that MM doesn't have a great arm and isn't very mobile. But he's got that leadership intangible that serves him well. He's also got experience. There was no doubt that in the games he came in in the 2nd quarter to replace Bolden, the offense moved. Frankly, he probably should have started all year and played most of every game. I think his stats would have been much better.

    I also think that BOB could design an offense more suited to his talents. Our defense will be pretty good again in 2012, so we don't have to score tons of points.

    In my mind a couple things held MM back in 2011 - our predictable offense and our receivers not getting off the LOS clean. There were also a lot of dropped balls in 2011. One thing for sure, we struggled when Moye was out. When he came back, our offense was instantly better.

    The one question I have with MM is whether or not the team still believes in him after the locker room incident.

    I might be wrong, but I see MM as our starter for 2012.

    OK - have at it guys.

    Yeah as much as I hate to say it because I can't stand the kid's attitude, I agree that with some QB coaching, and a real offensive game plan (including route combinations that actually HELP receivers get open), MM could be plenty serviceable.

    And this is coming from one of the last hold-outs calling for Bolden to be the starter.

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  • blackshoes said...

    Just so I understand is it ok for your QB to act like a dbag if he's putting up kerry collinsesque number/results? Because most arguments I hear are he's arrogant and cant back it up. So if he could back it up it would be ok?

    I'm not sure he said any of that, but the old Joe sat and/or berated guys with major NFL talent for showing 1/10th of the attitude Matt has shown. Matt's beyond arrogant; you don't get knocked out by your own teammate for being arrogant. If you can name another player in the history of PSU who has played so much, produced so little, and had even remotely as bad of a demeanor as Matt McGloin I will be shocked.

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  • MTayl72 said...

    I would take TerBush over McGloin anyday. The difference between Mac and Tolzien was that Tolzien wouldn't lose games with dumbshit mistakes. McGloin is a irish car bomb waiting to happen.

    Irish Car Bombs are great...McGloin disgusts me with his play and attitude. While I can enjoy a racial pun as much as the next guy...I feel like comparing McGloin to an Irish Car Bomb is insulting to Car Bombs.

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  • Gunslinger317 said...

    O'Brien and mcgloin are actually pretty comparable. The main reason people don't like Mcgloin in my opinion is he has been under a larger than normal microscope with alot fans having a hard time getting over his walk on status. He has been the best qb on the roster the last two years. He has done some things that show he is immature but so has every other qb we are talking about in this thread. What happened to the fresh start mantra. Does it not apply to McGloin?

    Being the best QB on the PSU roster the last two years isn't such a dubious honor. He has done more than some immature things.

    He is under a larger than normal microscope for more reasons than just his former walk on status. His lack of production; his poor choices on and off the field as well as his mouth and lack of leadership.

    What immature things has O'Brien done, since he has been mentioned within this thread - lost his job because he didn't fit Edsall's offense; decided to graduate early and transfer?

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  • MTayl72 said...

    I would take TerBush over McGloin anyday. The difference between Mac and Tolzien was that Tolzien wouldn't lose games with dumbshit mistakes. McGloin is a irish car bomb waiting to happen.

    I too would take Terbush over McGloin without question. Anyone who thinks otherwise just doesn't get it and Terbush was Purdue's third string QB at the start of the season.

    Hamilton Lion

  • DOB is our only chance for a great season next year, period. PJ is a wildcard, and I'm pretty sure we've all seen enough of Mac and Bolden.

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  • Ah a good old QB discussion. I missed them.

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  • MTayl72 said...

    Honest to God, the way Mac is I would start Bolden every game. Let Mac be the backup til he gets his head out of his ass. Mac is everything I don't want in my QB.

    And I didn't say he wouldn't start, just that we wont be real competitors with that joke.

    Starting Bolden gave us nothing but deficits to overcome. Some people's disdain for MM borders on the irrational. We had two QB's play last year, and only one gave us any chance to win. Bolden did absolutely nothing to show he could be a successful D1 QB.

    As for the DOB love on this board, has anyone actually checked out his 2011 stats? I'll be the first to admit I haven't really seen him play. But 7 TD's and 10 INT's? I find it kind of puzzling how MM sucks to most of you, but this kid is being thought of as a savior. Do those numbers really lie that much???

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  • blackshoes said...

    I get that but newsome sucking screwed up the QB plan alot more that devlin transferring. Devlin would have started for a year and it would have just delayed the inevitable.

    As far as MM being a rudy story, it was never going to happen. Most people hated MM because he was a walk on. Some fans just couldn't stomach a walk on playing qb at psu. He would have had to go Andrew Luck for people to like him. He was doomed form the beginning. People were just looking for reason to hate him. And I think alot of people were just waiting for him to fail, because he was a walk on.

    Im not getting into the whole MM thing again right now.

    I will say this to your point. It went from the beginning to "we cant with a game with him in D1".
    Then "We cant beat a BCS team with him"
    Then "We cant beat a B1G team with him"
    WE cant win in the Shoe with him, and things of that nature.

    So yes, for some, the bar keeps getting raised til he cant beat it. And I do think part of that was some just didnt want him starting, being a walk on, from the beginning. And couldnt handle that he was better than they thought.

    And many have found valid reason to dislike him since as he thinks/thought he was better than he was/is. (this guy..points at self)

    Anywho, I will back who steps on the field regardless. MM is better than his harshest critics, but lands in the I hope finds average at least, for me. He has been good and bad. But lacks what I want most in my QB, and that is consistency. Our overall QB play has been below average, IMO, for a little bit here(since the departure of Clark)

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  • fortheglory94 said...

    As for the DOB love on this board, has anyone actually checked out his 2011 stats? I'll be the first to admit I haven't really seen him play. But 7 TD's and 10 INT's? I find it kind of puzzling how MM sucks to most of you, but this kid is being thought of as a savior. Do those numbers really lie that much???

    So, you have not seen one game DOB has played at UMD and want to bring up his numbers his second year; one in which he went THROUGH A COACHING CHANGE AND HE DIDN'T FIT THE OFFENSE. Why don't you look at his numbers as a redshirt freshman when he started for Friedgen and was the Freshman of the Year in the ACC and a freshman AA. That year, he ran a pro style offense, one in which BOB employs, not the bullshit offense Edsall employs.

    It doesn't really take being a genius to figure out why DOB's numbers dropped from being a Freshman AA one year to being second string at UMD the next. Do some research next time.

    This post was edited by Hamilton Lion on 3/14/2012 at 9:12 PM

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