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  • I don't think the red sox players are really giving him a chance or any support.

    To me his comments weren't that bad and he explained them well. Youklis and Pedroia have been around long enough to know how the media can twist questions and comments around. The report by schilling before the season started about how bobby lost the team speaks volumes to the type of character they really have in Boston. If those players gave a damn about baseball or their manager they wouldn't have allowed all the BS that happened last year.

    Bobby V will be out of a job and those guys never gave him a chance.

    If winning was easy even losers would do it.

    Lang06

  • Lang06 said...

    I don't think the red sox players are really giving him a chance or any support.

    To me his comments weren't that bad and he explained them well. Youklis and Pedroia have been around long enough to know how the media can twist questions and comments around. The report by schilling before the season started about how bobby lost the team speaks volumes to the type of character they really have in Boston. If those players gave a damn about baseball or their manager they wouldn't have allowed all the BS that happened last year.

    Bobby V will be out of a job and those guys never gave him a chance.

    And they never should have. He's awful.

    MTayl72

  • Big name managers dont work in big markets.. I think in professional sports in general its extremly important to have strong team leadership..If there isnt a guy on a team who commands others respect and isnt afraid to tell them when they are acting stupid then the team will easily get lost..

    JTNITTANY

  • MTayl72 said...

    And they never should have. He's awful.

    Sounds reasonable ... let's allow our own ego's get in the way of progress.

    They get paid to do a job, if you want to mope and whine please leave now. Otherwise swallow some 'pride' and buy in.

    If they are cool with being miserable that is their choice. Shame to see guys piss it all away.

    If winning was easy even losers would do it.

    Lang06

  • JTNITTANY said...

    Big name managers dont work in big markets.. I think in professional sports in general its extremly important to have strong team leadership..If there isnt a guy on a team who commands others respect and isnt afraid to tell them when they are acting stupid then the team will easily get lost..

    Boston's problem, IMO, is that the "leaders" haven't bought in so the team as a whole doesn't have clear direction.

    If the leaders buy in that team could win 100 games.

    The power struggle in this situation is confusing to me since it's players and a coach. Upper management must not be doing Bobby V any favors either or something else happened before the spring or during spring training that nobody is talking about.

    If winning was easy even losers would do it.

    Lang06

  • Lang06 said...

    Sounds reasonable ... let's allow our own ego's get in the way of progress.

    They get paid to do a job, if you want to mope and whine please leave now. Otherwise swallow some 'pride' and buy in.

    If they are cool with being miserable that is their choice. Shame to see guys piss it all away.

    I was more talking about the joke of a hiring process that the Red Sox conducted. The disrespectful way Bobby V conducts himself in every job he's ever had. And his poor track record as a manager. I'd be pissed if I was a Sawx fan and a player.

    That said, players do need to play their asses off. Its still their job and even if they don't care for him they should care for their teammates

    MTayl72

  • Lang06 said...

    Sounds reasonable ... let's allow our own ego's get in the way of progress.

    They get paid to do a job, if you want to mope and whine please leave now. Otherwise swallow some 'pride' and buy in.

    If they are cool with being miserable that is their choice. Shame to see guys piss it all away.

    You have to understand that there is very little loyalty in Boston.. Its a tradition dating back to Babe Ruth.. Ownership doesnt value winning the same way the Yankees do.. The fans arent loyal at all to their players, they turned on Nomar, they turned on Manny, they turned on Johnny Damon, they have Big Papi on a short leash.. Loyalty doesnt exist in Beantown.. Its part of the culture there, its much deeper than just players atitudes and managers egos..

    JTNITTANY

  • Lang06 said...

    Boston's problem, IMO, is that the "leaders" haven't bought in so the team as a whole doesn't have clear direction.

    If the leaders buy in that team could win 100 games.

    The power struggle in this situation is confusing to me since it's players and a coach. Upper management must not be doing Bobby V any favors either or something else happened before the spring or during spring training that nobody is talking about.

    Who are the leaders? Varitek is gone, pedroia is a great player but not a leader, same with Youk.. Papi isnt a leader.. There arent any leaders there.. Their world series teams had good leadership.. 04 had, Damon, Millar, Tek, Schilling, those guys set a tone, they dont have anyone on the team that plays that role..

    JTNITTANY

  • Speaking of leaders, Derek Jeter is absolutly murdering shit right now..

    JTNITTANY

  • The problem is, if I remember this correctly, Bobby isn't the GM's guy. He interviewed guys he wanted more and made much more sense as baseball men. And then someone in ownership wanted him to interview Bobby V and bam he's hired. Because he had a name, was on ESPN, and loudly lobbied for his job on it.

    Therefore the ownership deserves to fail. And I hope they do.

    MTayl72

  • MTayl72 said...

    The problem is, if I remember this correctly, Bobby isn't the GM's guy. He interviewed guys he wanted more and made much more sense as baseball men. And then someone in ownership wanted him to interview Bobby V and bam he's hired. Because he had a name, was on ESPN, and loudly lobbied for his job on it.

    Therefore the ownership deserves to fail. And I hope they do.

    +1

    JTNITTANY

  • JTNITTANY said...

    Who are the leaders? Varitek is gone, pedroia is a great player but not a leader, same with Youk.. Papi isnt a leader.. There arent any leaders there.. Their world series teams had good leadership.. 04 had, Damon, Millar, Tek, Schilling, those guys set a tone, they dont have anyone on the team that plays that role..

    I think Youk is supposed to be one as is Ortiz.

    I just think they have poor leaders (yes extended to front office) and they have leaders who don't understand how to lead.

    If you're a star player, like it or not, you are expected to be a leader unless there is another guy there that has that role.

    If winning was easy even losers would do it.

    Lang06

  • MTayl72 said...

    I was more talking about the joke of a hiring process that the Red Sox conducted. The disrespectful way Bobby V conducts himself in every job he's ever had. And his poor track record as a manager. I'd be pissed if I was a Sawx fan and a player.

    That said, players do need to play their asses off. Its still their job and even if they don't care for him they should care for their teammates

    Yea, I was quoting you to spring board into my comment.

    It wasn't directed to you, just the conversation in general.

    I did not know about the hiring process.

    If winning was easy even losers would do it.

    Lang06

  • Lang06 said...

    I think Youk is supposed to be one as is Ortiz.

    I just think they have poor leaders (yes extended to front office) and they have leaders who don't understand how to lead.

    If you're a star player, like it or not, you are expected to be a leader unless there is another guy there that has that role.

    I think Ortiz could have been that guy, but not at this point in his career.. I dont think upper management ever backed him up in that sense and gave him the support to do that.. Terrible management and terrible ownership..

    JTNITTANY

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  • restoreThe ROAR said...

    ESPN is a f****n joke i'm not much of a Baseball fan but when nothin is on i might ck to see who's on an every.every time i ck to see who's on the hated yankees..... they were on last nite there on again tonite again on sunday nite ...an again next monday nite WTF.. they don't an will never understand there are other teams in MLB.

    Who would you like to have seen tonight?

    This post was edited by JTNITTANY on 4/16/2012 at 9:33 PM

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    restoreThe ROAR

  • restoreThe ROAR said...

    like i said i'm not a big baseball fan really any body but the yankees ESPN is Soooo bias when it comes to the yankees an red sox ... it's a joke oh well No wonder i 'm not much of a fan.

    They put on games for ratings. Yanks, Sox and Phils get most of the airtime on ESPN cause they bring the best ratings. Here's the top 5 from 2011 by average local game audience. The Yanks have the strongest national appeal as well, so the ratings on ESPN are even further inflated for national games I'm sure.

    New York Yankees YES 319,000 (-5.3%)
    Philadelphia CSN 276,000 (+16.0%)
    Boston NESN 192,000 (+34.3%)
    New York Mets SportsNet NY 163,000 (-19.3%)
    San Francisco CSN Bay Area 127,000 (+23.3%)

    This post was edited by shavisimo2 on 4/16/2012 at 9:31 PM

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  • restoreThe ROAR said...

    like i said i'm not a big baseball fan really any body but the yankees ESPN is Soooo bias when it comes to the yankees an red sox ... it's a joke oh well No wonder i 'm not much of a fan.

    Or maybe your local team just sucks..

    This post was edited by JTNITTANY on 4/16/2012 at 9:32 PM

    JTNITTANY

  • Big Time Timmy Jim getting lit up by the big bats in Philly!

    4-0 with one out in the first...

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  • Also, can we take off the VIP posts. I'm sure it was an accident, but one VIP post starts a chain reaction by accident.

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  • shavisimo2 said...

    Also, can we take off the VIP posts. I'm sure it was an accident, but one VIP post starts a chain reaction by accident.

    I didnt even realize

    JTNITTANY

  • JTNITTANY said...

    I didnt even realize

    I know. Every response to a VIP post is automatically VIP, so it's a chain reaction. I didn't notice and had to edit my post.

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    restoreThe ROAR

  • restoreThe ROAR said...

    Haha i don't have a favorite team i Got more important things to do than watch baseball i havent watch a whole game in 26yrs. so think what you want.

    Well you are posting in the MLB thread..

    This post was edited by JTNITTANY on 4/16/2012 at 9:40 PM

    JTNITTANY

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