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  • NotoriousG-Man said...

    Only disappointment so far is benching him on my fantasy team Friday night v Cliff Lee, after he looked pretty bad against a couple lefty relievers on Thursday... but what a weekend... kid on fire. Thanks for the link.

    Yep. As guys come back I still think there is a chance he goes down. It'll be hard though. But you can't have him as a part time player, that could kill him.And Craig, if he can stay healthy, is a very good and reliable hitter, even with Adam's current potential. I will say this, he's already made adjustments and shortened his swing since coming up.

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  • Well with Roy Halladay on the DL for the next 6-8 weeks, let's see who (if anybody) steps up and if the Phillies can keep hanging in there until Utley and Howard get back.

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  • PSUjosh11 said...

    Well with Roy Halladay on the DL for the next 6-8 weeks, let's see who (if anybody) steps up and if the Phillies can keep hanging in there until Utley and Howard get back.

    If Worley comes back fine they'll hold up with the staff. Hamels, Lee, Blanton, Kendrick and Worley is fine. The hitting is coming back towards the mean, scoring 0-2 runs a game is just plain unlucky, and the Phils offense is now middle of the pack in the NL (7th most runs scored). The pen is in trouble before the 8th inning. Overall, they will most likely be in the thick of the playoff race in a piss poor national league.

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  • shavisimo2 said...

    If Worley comes back fine they'll hold up with the staff. Hamels, Lee, Blanton, Kendrick and Worley is fine. The hitting is coming back towards the mean, scoring 0-2 runs a game is just plain unlucky, and the Phils offense is now middle of the pack in the NL (7th most runs scored). The pen is in trouble before the 8th inning. Overall, they will most likely be in the thick of the playoff race in a piss poor national league.

    That isn't fine. You would have Hamels and Lee and then pray for rain the next three days ... Worley is due to come back to reality, Kendrick and Blanton aren't good. Add in the fact the offense is bad ... its not a good recipe for success.

    Unlucky is having Utley and Howard out with injuries. Bad is the offense you have now.

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  • Hamilton Lion said...

    That isn't fine. You would have Hamels and Lee and then pray for rain the next three days ... Worley is due to come back to reality, Kendrick and Blanton aren't good. Add in the fact the offense is bad ... its not a good recipe for success.

    Unlucky is having Utley and Howard out with injuries. Bad is the offense you have now.

    Kendrick's had 21 starts the past 2 seasons and allowed more than 3 earned in 4 of those. 17:4 ratio of good to bad starts (strictly by earned runs which are by no means the end all be all, but not the worst indicator of where he's at). 3.18 era in those 21 starts, 3.74 over his last 34 starts. 3.74 in 34 starts would constitute a complete season of starting. A 3.74 era in 34 starts would be the 32nd best ERA for a starter in 2011. So, while he's by no means a world beater, he's not nearly as bad as some make him out to be. Worley will regress, but he has the stuff to be a quality #4 and potentially a 3. Blanton is an innings eater. He stinks. So that's two aces, a #3/4 in Worley, a #4/5 in Kendrick and Blanton. That rotation is fine. Not great, but fine.

    As for the offense, it's bad, but not awful. It's middle of the pack in runs scored this season (as I mentioned, 7th in the NL), even when factoring in they scored like 2 runs a game the first 3 weeks of the season. There are only 3 markedly better offenses in the NL (Atl, Stl, and Col) and one of them (colorado) has the worst pitching staff in the majors. The Phils will be good enough to hang around.

    Please stop getting so defensive about anything positive about the Phillies. They're horribly flawed. That is obvious. But the rest of the NL is pretty terrible. The Phils will stay in it, that's all I've said. Not sure why you've taken great offense to that because only hatred would blind someone to seeing that the Phils will still be competitive in the NL.

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  • Chooch with a huge pinch hit bomb to tie it up late. Cliff Lee still winless on the year...

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  • So, ummm, how about them Mariners...

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  • shavisimo2 said...

    So, ummm, how about them Mariners...

    Wastin all their runs for te rest of the year.

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  • shavisimo2 said...

    So, ummm, how about them Mariners...

    Ugh...

    Holland makes absolutely no sense. Jekyll and Hyde of our staff. Fantastic start against the Jays, then doesn't get out of the second against the mariners. Wow.

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  • Phils turn a 4-3 lead to 10-3 here in the 9th. No complaints about this inning. Nice comeback win after being down 2 in the 7th against the Mets.

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  • Raise the Jolly Roger! Pirates back to .500 after beating the Reds- my least favorite team of any professional sport in the history of forever

    Reason #32764523489237846 why I hate Ohio State- like two thirds of their fans are Reds/Bengals fans

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  • Kinnetaw said...

    Raise the Jolly Roger! Pirates back to .500 after beating the Reds- my least favorite team of any professional sport in the history of forever

    Reason #32764523489237846 why I hate Ohio State- like two thirds of their fans are Reds/Bengals fans

    Absent one start against the Cardinals in which AJ got torched 12 earned in 2.2 innings, the guy has been nails. If there was any offense in that lineup, the Bucs could be winning the division. McDonald, Bedard and Burnett - not the starting three that scares the hell out of the opposition, but to date, it has been very effective.

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  • Hamilton Lion said...

    Absent one start against the Cardinals in which AJ got torched 12 earned in 2.2 innings, the guy has been nails. If there was any offense in that lineup, the Bucs could be winning the division. McDonald, Bedard and Burnett - not the starting three that scares the hell out of the opposition, but to date, it has been very effective.

    They've all been very consistent and very good. It's impressive to see. If the staff doesn't have a second half like last year they could at least be involved through early September.

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  • Hamilton Lion said...

    Absent one start against the Cardinals in which AJ got torched 12 earned in 2.2 innings, the guy has been nails. If there was any offense in that lineup, the Bucs could be winning the division. McDonald, Bedard and Burnett - not the starting three that scares the hell out of the opposition, but to date, it has been very effective.

    But they don't. That's like saying if the Cardinals had anyone in the BP that isn't terrible they'd be pissing on everyone in the division with the best offense in the NL. But wait,they don't. So it doesn't matter.

    MTayl72

  • shavisimo2 said...

    They've all been very consistent and very good. It's impressive to see. If the staff doesn't have a second half like last year they could at least be involved through early September.

    I'm not counting on it. You need someone like Correia or Morton to step up. I'm not sure McDonald can go like he has been doing the entire year. However, the thing that is saving the Bucs is the bullpen. Lincoln, Hammer, Cruz, Grilli, Hughes and Watson have all done their part. It's early, but alot of surprises in that group thus far.

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  • Hamilton Lion said...

    I'm not counting on it. You need someone like Correia or Morton to step up. I'm not sure McDonald can go like he has been doing the entire year. However, the thing that is saving the Bucs is the bullpen. Lincoln, Hammer, Cruz, Grilli, Hughes and Watson have all done their part. It's early, but alot of surprises in that group thus far.

    There will most likely be some regression for Mcdonald, but his peripherals are pretty stellar but he has a very low BABIP and HR/FB rate, the second one will almost certainly increase, meaning he'll allow some more runs going forward. Burnett has a high BABIP and HR/FB rate, so he's got a decent opportunity to maintain his numbers. Bedard could be consistent as well.

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  • Damn Phillies bullpen. Thankfully the Phillies scored 6 runs in the top of the 9th otherwise they would've lost...

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  • PSUjosh11 said...

    Damn Phillies bullpen. Thankfully the Phillies scored 6 runs in the top of the 9th otherwise they would've lost...

    Paps would have come in to start the inning if they hadn't scored all those runs, so they probably still would have won.

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  • Nice effort by Texas pitching tonight - against Seattle no less. 21 runs surrendered, all earned thus far

    This post was edited by Hamilton Lion on 5/30/2012 at 10:12 PM

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  • Hamilton Lion said...

    Nice effort by Texas pitching tonight - against Seattle no less. 21 runs surrendered, all earned thus far

    Third time we've let up double digit runs, and twice in a row.

    It happens. Just a bad two days, we'll recover.

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  • Texas Lion said...

    Third time we've let up double digit runs, and twice in a row.

    It happens. Just a bad two days, we'll recover.

    But giving up three touchdowns to the light-hitting Mariners?

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  • shavisimo2 said...

    I'll break down the moves:
    Cliff in 09 - good move. However, who wouldn't have made that deal? Honestly, it's a no-brainer, but I still agree, good deal.

    Cliff traded in 09 to Seattle to bring back Halladay. Huge, huge problem with this. Bringing in Doc is great, no problems at all in that. However, he sold Cliff to the very first bidder for a bag of peanuts. You have a huge asset in a pitcher who just dominated for 3 months including in the World Series and didn't have an outrageous contract at the time and you accept the first bid without even shopping him? Imagine the haul Lee could bring in there. It's a terrible trade and it's not even funny. It was the second biggest transactional mistake of the Amaro era.

    Bringing me to the biggest, the Ryan Howard contract. Many lauded the decision at the time, but it was clearly a mistake. He still had a few years left on his deal to see how he progressed considering his body type and age were built to regress considerably very quickly. It was a terrible move. There's no way around it.

    The Ibanez signing was also very blah. 3 years at a big number for 73 year old Raul Ibanez? Give me a break. The Phils were then married to him as an every day hitter in left when he was ranked as the worst or second to worst fielder in the majors. Bad decision.

    Bringing back Lee - good move, no fault there. Stealth move.

    As for the trades with Houston. Amaro benefitted of Ed Wade being the absolute worst GM and wanting to help out Philly cause it's where his heart was (the Phillies signed him back into the management after the Astros fired him, hmmm.....).

    He also depleted the farm system over the years, part of which was necessary for some of these moves, part of which could have been replenished from the Lee deal or other moves.

    Now, the biggest non-transactional error - he hasn't implemented a full statistics department on the Phillies. About half the teams are fully statistical in their player analyses. The Phillies have the smallest statistics department in the majors and I think they just recently added one guy to do it all (and to be honest, I doubt they listen to him). The game has long passed Amaro's style by.

    As for Charlie, don't even get me started...

    I'm not a Phil's fan, but this is ridiculous.

    That guy transformed the team and made those moves to get to the world series a couple of times and be, arguably the most consistent and best team in the national league for the last several years.

    The whole thing about who wouldn't have made that move ,,, fact is 30 teams didn't make that move or didn't seal the deal.

    The Lee deal back to Seattle ... they knew they weren't going to be able to sign him then, so they traded him away for what I presumed was the best offer at the time. Whatever he did worked since Lee wanted to come back to Philly when he entered free agency.

    This post was edited by Lang06 on 5/31/2012 at 5:50 AM

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  • shavisimo2 said...

    Paps would have come in to start the inning if they hadn't scored all those runs, so they probably still would have won.

    I'd take my chances with Paps over anybody else in our bullpen right now.

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  • shavisimo2 said...

    I'll break down the moves: Cliff in 09 - good move. However, who wouldn't have made that deal? Honestly, it's a no-brainer, but I still agree, good deal.

    Cliff traded in 09 to Seattle to bring back Halladay. Huge, huge problem with this. Bringing in Doc is great, no problems at all in that. However, he sold Cliff to the very first bidder for a bag of peanuts. You have a huge asset in a pitcher who just dominated for 3 months including in the World Series and didn't have an outrageous contract at the time and you accept the first bid without even shopping him? Imagine the haul Lee could bring in there. It's a terrible trade and it's not even funny. It was the second biggest transactional mistake of the Amaro era.

    Bringing me to the biggest, the Ryan Howard contract. Many lauded the decision at the time, but it was clearly a mistake. He still had a few years left on his deal to see how he progressed considering his body type and age were built to regress considerably very quickly. It was a terrible move. There's no way around it.

    The Ibanez signing was also very blah. 3 years at a big number for 73 year old Raul Ibanez? Give me a break. The Phils were then married to him as an every day hitter in left when he was ranked as the worst or second to worst fielder in the majors. Bad decision.

    Bringing back Lee - good move, no fault there. Stealth move.

    As for the trades with Houston. Amaro benefitted of Ed Wade being the absolute worst GM and wanting to help out Philly cause it's where his heart was (the Phillies signed him back into the management after the Astros fired him, hmmm.....).

    He also depleted the farm system over the years, part of which was necessary for some of these moves, part of which could have been replenished from the Lee deal or other moves.

    Now, the biggest non-transactional error - he hasn't implemented a full statistics department on the Phillies. About half the teams are fully statistical in their player analyses. The Phillies have the smallest statistics department in the majors and I think they just recently added one guy to do it all (and to be honest, I doubt they listen to him). The game has long passed Amaro's style by.

    As for Charlie, don't even get me started...

    His worst move may be resigning Jimmy Rollins. He's really leaking oil. Galvis looks like the real deal. They could have plugged him in at SS and used that 10 million per year to resign Cole Hamels.
    I know hindsight is 20/20, but I was all for them letting Jimmy go during the offseason.

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  • Hamilton Lion said...

    But giving up three touchdowns to the light-hitting Mariners?

    At the end of the excruciatingly painful day, its only one game, only one loss.

    We're still one of the best teams in baseball, with one of the best records in baseball, who is solid from top to bottom. I'm not worried. These things happen.

    Thank goodness we get our day off today though, this team looked like they needed to take a step back and breath. Always nice to rest right before the Angels too. If we can take 2/3 against the Angels, I'll be ecstatic.

    Also, other than BASEBALL GOD and that series against the Blue Jays, the lineup hasn't been playing that well for a while. We'll pick it back up.

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