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shavisimo2 said...
I'll break down the moves: Cliff in 09 - good move. However, who wouldn't have made that deal? Honestly, it's a no-brainer, but I still agree, good deal.
Cliff traded in 09 to Seattle to bring back Halladay. Huge, huge problem with this. Bringing in Doc is great, no problems at all in that. However, he sold Cliff to the very first bidder for a bag of peanuts. You have a huge asset in a pitcher who just dominated for 3 months including in the World Series and didn't have an outrageous contract at the time and you accept the first bid without even shopping him? Imagine the haul Lee could bring in there. It's a terrible trade and it's not even funny. It was the second biggest transactional mistake of the Amaro era.
Bringing me to the biggest, the Ryan Howard contract. Many lauded the decision at the time, but it was clearly a mistake. He still had a few years left on his deal to see how he progressed considering his body type and age were built to regress considerably very quickly. It was a terrible move. There's no way around it.
The Ibanez signing was also very blah. 3 years at a big number for 73 year old Raul Ibanez? Give me a break. The Phils were then married to him as an every day hitter in left when he was ranked as the worst or second to worst fielder in the majors. Bad decision.
Bringing back Lee - good move, no fault there. Stealth move.
As for the trades with Houston. Amaro benefitted of Ed Wade being the absolute worst GM and wanting to help out Philly cause it's where his heart was (the Phillies signed him back into the management after the Astros fired him, hmmm.....).
He also depleted the farm system over the years, part of which was necessary for some of these moves, part of which could have been replenished from the Lee deal or other moves.
Now, the biggest non-transactional error - he hasn't implemented a full statistics department on the Phillies. About half the teams are fully statistical in their player analyses. The Phillies have the smallest statistics department in the majors and I think they just recently added one guy to do it all (and to be honest, I doubt they listen to him). The game has long passed Amaro's style by.
As for Charlie, don't even get me started...
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white_out said...
I don't disagree, however, I got the feeling most everyone in baseball knew that the Phillies and the Jays were in serious talks about Doc, so the M's were the one's who offered a package. I liked aumont when I saw him in the futures game a few years ago.
the one thing I think we both agree on is that Amaro would be better off standing pat and letting the system develop.
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And Phils fans bitch about Howard, so now they are going to bring in another guy that does the exact same thing?
Arod in 2010 and Prince in 05 are both good examples, and both considered the worst seasons of their careers.
I am not putting too much stock into scoring runs... that's the game drive in runs AND score... not hit some jacks, and get on base a .291 clip... Mark Trumbo is basically Jack Cust from 07-09'... except Cust got on base at almost .400 and took 100BB in a season, MT took 25BB last year...
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Welcome aboard the band wagon... glad to have you.
I know.. I see that idiot, Matt Sebek, throwing a bunch of stuff out there on twitter...
Wanna talk the future of the Cardinals? I fully understand now why they passed on resigning Albert. I preface it by saying, I understand not all prospects work out.... etc etc etc... But they have Shelby Miller coming who is projected to be a stud lefty starter... Carlos Martinez, who is a bit further away, and needs a bit better control, but some scouts think he may have the best arm in the minors. Then with the bats... Adams who is already in the STL at 1B... Kolton Wong coming to fill whats been a gaping hole for years at 2B, and gets Dustin Pedroia comparisons. The best of them all may be Oscar Tavares, who at 19 is destroying AA right now, and may be the best pure hitter in the minor leagues... to think they have legit positional players coming at CF, 2B and 1B... its really amazing. On top of guys already in the show, and though a bit older... Freese and Craig neither have yet put together a full, injury free season... but if and when they do, may be two of the best pure hitters in the league... Its an embarrassment of riches in their system... and I am not even a Cardinals fan and it has be blushing.
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I have a feeling this one is going to get high scoring. Molina is PISSED (Idk if you guys saw the chat with the ump on the Phillies broadcast) with the strike zone, as he should be. But Jake looks rattled by it which is never good.
Some hard hit balls by the Cards early as well, but they have to turn them into runs.
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