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JTNITTANY said...
Some bold statements there.. I'd argue its much harder to win in the AL than in the NL.. Payroll is really just a convenient excuse for people.. As for Girardi I get very angry with him, but I love him at the same time.. I think he tends to overmanage.. He is the anti Joe Torre, Torre was much more relaxed and let things go for too long, Girardi makes too many in game decisions that he doesnt have to do.. Sometimes you just have to let them play..
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MTayl72 said...
Harder to win or harder to manage? Im not saying the AL isn't the tougher league, that it is.
I also don't see what payroll is an excuse for. I am not saying saying a mid market team cannot win (hello lol), but instead they need to rely more on minor league development and role players to stay a consistent power than large market teams that can spend on veteran talent. Of course your front office matters as well (Cubs lol).
No bold statements, just need to go back to last year's WS to see the differences in managing each style of game. The Rangers lost because Washington wasn't ready for the moves and shifts needed to be made. He was outmanaged and had a much better team.
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JTNITTANY said...
Absolutly you have to do much more in game managing in the NL than the AL, but its also not easy dealing with a roster of superstars and superstar personalities.. And to your point about the Cubs (lol) add the Mets (lol) also.. I get the mid market large market stuff, but even tho St Louis is a mid market team technically, I never thought of them that way.. I always much more regionally driven.. The Cards have truck loads of tradition and a dynamite historic fanbase that is loyal.. Cards fans go watch them play regardless.. When there is steady significant fan interest in a team it forces management and ownership to keep the best possible product on the field.. I cant believe the Cards didnt pay Albert whatever it took to keep him.. I'm sure you werent happy with your ownership letting him go to LA.. I kno if we had a player of that caliber at that point in his career and the Yanks let him walk people would lose it.. I'm still a little upset they traded Alfonso Soriano, even tho we got A-Rod and Fonso never lived up to the hype after he left..
This post was edited by MTayl72 on 4/9/2012 at 4:41 PM
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JTNITTANY said...
Maddon is a good manager but he also gets a lot of credit that he doesnt deserve.. He had no business winning managerof the year last year.. Only reason they made the playoffs last year was because the Red Sux lost every game they played in September.. If the Red Sux were only slightly less crappy in September the Rays dont make the playoffs.. They got really lucky..
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fortheglory94 said...
And seeing someone call Joe Maddon the man makes me cringe, so there you go. If he's so successful, how come his fingers have no tan lines? Oh that's right, for the fans outside of NY and Boston a successful year doesn't have to include a ring. Sorry, that's not how I grew up thinking.
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fortheglory94 said...
And seeing someone call Joe Maddon the man makes me cringe, so there you go. If he's so successful, how come his fingers have no tan lines? Oh that's right, for the fans outside of NY and Boston a successful year doesn't have to include a ring. Sorry, that's not how I grew up thinking.
This post was edited by MTayl72 on 4/9/2012 at 10:13 PM
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MTayl72 said...
I enjoy the way he manages a game, like he actually thinks about baseball at all times. Its nice to see. I didn't call him the best manager in the game or anything, but he skippered the Tampa Bay Rays to an AL championship, in which they lost in the WS. Idc if that isn't a HOF thing, but it does make him successful. He is well respected throughout baseball, knows the game, and wins. I would love to see him win a WS, but with that team it isn't probable. I like Scioscia as well, though I think he should'v edone better given the payroll and teams the Angels have had. But hey, I like the guys who I can respect thinking through a game, I love watching my managers play puppet master, even if I bitch when they do it too much. Its good baseball.
But whatever, sorry I think he's the man for being a good baseball man.
And I forgot fans outside of Boston and NY don't know what success is. Jackass. I'll give it to the Yankees, they're the only team with more success than my franchise, and I have nothing more than respect for them. They've damn-well earned it. Don't talk to me like I am some Cub fan who wants to eek out the division.
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fortheglory94 said...
And seeing someone call Joe Maddon the man makes me cringe, so there you go. If he's so successful, how come his fingers have no tan lines? Oh that's right, for the fans outside of NY and Boston a successful year doesn't have to include a ring. Sorry, that's not how I grew up thinking.
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JTNITTANY said...
Personally I really didnt like him including the Red Sux in his assesment.. All these Red Sux fans got sooo excited, as they should have, but they seem to have forgotten what it was like for them before.. They are starting to remember now.. There are only 2 franchises in MLB with a history of consistent championship success.. I like the fact that they make the Cardinals shirt that says "Got Rings" also, I have one for the Yanks, but I thought it was great that the Cards make one too..
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MTayl72 said...
He's just perpetuating the myth that nowhere but NY and Boston or the East Coast in general can there by any truly great franchises. 11 WS in 18 trips. The Sox just started winning a decade ago. There are some great Sawx fans, then there's these guys that forgot they sucked for quite a few decades, of which i am way too young to remember to be honest, and recently got good.
That said Bobby Valentine should do a number on that organization. I can't believe they stooped that low to hire him.
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MTayl72 said...
JT how's the AL East race looking this year? You seem pretty non-homer, and I don't get to pay too much attention to it here in IL (luckily lol). I assume NY is favored, but the Rays or Jays looking to move by the Sawx? I know Toronto is one of the teams I think are in line to benefit from this new playoff system (which is dumb).
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JTNITTANY said...
I think you pretty much got it.. Prob will finish, 1.Yanks/Rays 3. Toronto 4. Boston.. But there is a chance that all 4 of those teams could be above .500 or really close.. The east is going to be a nightmare this year.. I wouldnt go as far as to say I'm not a homer, I truly believe that there is no franchise in sports much less baseball that are as great as the Yankees, but I'm fully capable of having a civil discussion, and I have alot of respect for other good franchises..
This post was edited by MTayl72 on 4/9/2012 at 11:02 PM
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MTayl72 said...
I enjoy the way he manages a game, like he actually thinks about baseball at all times. Its nice to see. I didn't call him the best manager in the game or anything, but he skippered the Tampa Bay Rays to an AL championship, in which they lost in the WS. Idc if that isn't a HOF thing, but it does make him successful. He is well respected throughout baseball, knows the game, and wins. I would love to see him win a WS, but with that team it isn't probable. I like Scioscia as well, though I think he should'v edone better given the payroll and teams the Angels have had. But hey, I like the guys who I can respect thinking through a game, I love watching my managers play puppet master, even if I bitch when they do it too much. Its good baseball.
But whatever, sorry I think he's the man for being a good baseball man.
And I forgot fans outside of Boston and NY don't know what success is. Jackass. I'll give it to the Yankees, they're the only team with more success than my franchise, and I have nothing more than respect for them. They've damn-well earned it. Don't talk to me like I am some Cub fan who wants to eek out the division.
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